Don Page的神学三部曲

最近接连看到引力与宇宙学家Don Page的三篇关于多重宇宙的文章,题目与宗教有关,我也就懒得去看。在更加最近的几天内Don Page给几乎所有研究过Boltzmann大脑的人发了两封信,我就不得不看看他的这些文章到底在说什么。(王一同学和我在夏天写了一篇关于人择原理的文章,提出了我们关于如何回避Boltzmann大脑的建议,当然,王一同学是这篇文章的主要作者)

Page的神学三部曲:

Our Place in a Vast Universe

Does God So Love the Multiverse?

Scientific and Philosophical Challenges to Theism

必须承认,我是本着一个无神论者的态度来看这些文章的。另一方面,我接触过基督教,所以我对有信仰的人又有一种理解的感觉。

Page既是一位宇宙学家,又是一位基督教徒,他将这三篇文章直接贴到physics archive的做法很不一般。另外,他说,这三篇文章将进入两本文集,其中一本是《Science and Religion: Current Dialogue》,将由北京大学出版。

第一篇文章谈现代宇宙的主要结果,以及人在其中的位置。Page认为即使我们的宇宙,甚至多重宇宙比地球大得不知多少倍,人还是特殊的。

第二篇文章谈为什么多重宇宙这个概念与上帝创世没有矛盾,其中的一个主要论点是如果多重宇宙作为概念和原理的结果比单个宇宙如我们的宇宙来得简单,那么上帝没有理由不创造多重宇宙。

第三篇文章谈Page想不明白的问题,包括Boltzmann大脑,死后永生的概率,人的自由意志,神的自由意志,神的简单性和可能性,魔鬼,等等。这些问题在这篇文章中居然被像科学问题一样对待,我觉得非常奇怪。也许对于一个基督徒来说一点也不奇怪。

Page在最后一篇文章开头就说现代科学是在犹太教和基督教的有神论的氛围中发展起来的,对于我们东方人来说是一个难以接受却不得不接受的事实。但Page用贝叶斯统计来讨论人死后的永生我绝对接受不了。他将永生问题和Botlzman大脑问题同等对待。还有,他居然用多重宇宙来解决魔鬼问题,这在我看来只能使多重宇宙更加臭名昭著。

什么是魔鬼问题?在有神论者看来,魔鬼的存在很难理解。既然神创造了一切,包括物理定律和初始条件,为什么他要创造魔鬼?一种解释是魔鬼不是神创造的,是人的自由意志引起的。Page认为这个解释不好。多重宇宙则可以解释,神希望创造出所有可能的宇宙,包括含有魔鬼的宇宙。因为禁止含有魔鬼的宇宙出现也许不是最简单和最经济的。我不得不说,第三篇文章完全是物理、数学、神学甚至道德的混合体。Page用一句警局结束这篇文章:

科学揭示宇宙间的智慧
圣经揭示宇宙背后的智慧

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关于Botlzmann大脑,见我的博文

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纽约时报最近有一篇关于这个话题的文章

Big Brain Theory: Have Cosmologists Lost Theirs?

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Page给Botlzmann大脑爱好者们的emails

第一封

Dear Colleagues and Friends,

Thanks to many of you for all your help in giving references andother suggestions for the attached three papers expanding lectures that I gave in Shandong University in Jinan, China, last autumn, which are now posted on the physics eprint archives at the following locations:

Our Place in a Vast Universe
Does God So Love the Multiverse?
Scientific and Philosophical Challenges to Theism

If there are any further corrections and/or suggestions that you have, please let me know, as these are going to the publisher soon for the proceedings. A large number of you have been cited in these papers (which may be why you are be receiving this email), and I would like to be sure that I have the citations correct and have properly represented your work.

Best wishes and belated Happy New Year,

Don

第二封

Dear Dennis,

I very much enjoyed reading today your article on Boltzmann brains, “Big Brain Theory: Have Cosmologists Lost Theirs?” in the New York Times at link. You did a good job emphasizing that they are a reductio ad absurdum of many versions of current cosmological theories, and that “Nobody in the field believes that this is the way things really work, however.” I think this has been clear to the experts reading my own papers on this, though I have seen that many bloggers have misinterpreted it as saying the universe really is full of Boltzmann brains or that we are really most likely to be Boltzmann brains.

In other words, I am quite certain that I am not a Boltzmann brain, and fairly sure that Boltzmann brains do not enormously dominate over ordinary observers, but I want to emphasize that this should be a consequence of our theories and not something to be tacked on extra. Our theories themselves should predict this, so as you nicely say, this is a “reality check” on our theories.

I think you quite fairly represented my own views. The only very minor caveat I might point out to the experts (though it would have been too abstruse for the general readership) is that I would not say unequivocally about consciousness that “we have in abundance over the
insects” (what you wrote, not a quote from me). I would just argue that the total measure for insect conscious perceptions should not so much overwhelm the total measure for human conscious perceptions that ours are highly improbable when normalized by the total measure. So I would not worry much about some theory if it turned out that it predicted that the measure for insect consciousness were, say, 10 times that of humans, but I would worry if it predicted that it were, say, 10^10 times that of humans.

Of course, since we don’t know any detailed theories of what gives the measure of onsciousness, a priori it might be surprising if the total measures for insect and human consciousness were within a factor of 10 of each other, or even within a factor of 100, since even the logarithm is highly uncertain. So I would guess that it is more likely that detailed theories would give either that the measure for insect consciousness would greatly dominate over that for humans (which I would think would make such theories very unlikely) or that it would be the other way around (which I would say is statistically consistent with our observations of being
human). So although for the experts I would not like to be seen as saying that surely the measure for human consciousness is greater than the measure for insect consciousness, I would guess that that will turn out to be the case, since it might take too much fine tuning to make the measure for insects dominate over humans just enough not to make the likelihood for us to observe that we are humans to be too low. But this is just a guess, analogous to my guess that it would require too much fine tuning for there to be not too many extra-terrestials for us not to have found any yet, and nevertheless enough for us to be able to find some in the foreseeable future.

Best wishes,

Don

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  1. 7 matrix

    偶本来一直想写篇摘要,因为非常fun。平行宇宙、转世投胎、Botlzmann大脑…晕晕的。

  2. 8 李淼

    立志兄:

    我对宇宙学研究的范围的看法是,不用没有被实验证明或逻辑推论的事当可以研究的对象,这包括上帝,死后的永生。

  3. 9 李淼

    mondain, v.w:

    Boltzmann大脑根本不存在,所以没有必要费心去研究。

  4. 10 4 htchien

    htchien:

    魔鬼确实是天使堕落的不错,可是你不小心写成了天使加百列堕落为魔鬼,这是不符合圣经的,呵呵

  5. 11 刘立志

    同意研究宇宙时搁置“上帝,死后的永生”,:)。

  6. 12 bao

    “科学揭示宇宙间的智慧,圣经揭示宇宙背后的智慧”

    我想他的意思可能是科学虽然解释了世界是“怎样的”,但是却解释不了“这样的世界有什么意义和价值”。

  7. 13 黑暗物理

    是否可以建立一种“以人为本”的物理学?

    人文物理学?

  8. 14 haha

    bao:

    Don Page 原话是

    Let me close with an aphorism that I coined to summarize my thoughts as a scientist and as a Christian:

    Science reveals the intelligence of the universe;
    the Bible reveals the Intelligence behind the universe.

    似乎涵义比你说的更深刻,呵呵

  9. 15 haha

    用这句格言去 google 发现很多书评什么的都喜欢用它作结尾,呵呵

  10. 16 haha

    google 后发现这句格言的正确写法是

    Science reveals the intelligibility of the universe; the Bible reveals the Intelligence behind the universe.

    而 Don Page 把前半句的 intelligibility 写成了 intelligence 感觉味道就不如原来的了。嗯,应该给 Page 写封信说一下,让他改对过来,呵呵

  11. 17 机械化的伊甸猿

    让人想到了伽利略。。

  12. 18 ymytm

    我不相信多重宇宙,我们的现实宇宙是唯一的.这使我想起爱因斯坦那句名言:我想知道上帝创造世界时是否作了某种选择?.即便有多种可能的宇宙,圣经里所描述的世界也是不可能的.我信仰的哲学上帝之所以不存在,不是因为实证,而是逻辑上就不可能.这也是我对现代数学不满意的原因.因为它不能证明这一命题.

  13. 19 布衣生活

    没有必要费心去研究!!

  14. 20 智明

    Boltzmann大脑 是什么东西

  15. 21 congress

    李老师,我个人对multiverse这个东西有一点兴趣,但我基本没有什么宇宙学方面的相关知识,能否讲一讲它是怎样“臭名昭著”的?:)

  16. 22 finncarey

    李老师,我怎么越看越觉得Page兄的政治意图很浓,他会不会被教皇拉去做大主教呢?呵呵

  17. 23 李淼

    congress:

    所谓臭名昭著,是因为没有什么可以观测到的预言。

    finnvarey:

    如果真的被邀请我想他是想做的 :-)

  18. 24 晃晃

    v.w
    2008年1月18日 9:27:21

    看了上面几位的讨论。

    突然间有个问题,“自由意志”对于物理学来说如何界定。

    Botlzmann 大脑等于有“自由意志”的大脑吗?

  19. 25 晃晃

    v.w
    2008年1月18日 9:27:21

    看了上面几位的讨论。

    突然间有个问题,“自由意志”对于物理学来说如何界定。

    Botlzmann 大脑等于有“自由意志”的大脑吗?
    ———————–
    不好意思,上个帖子一回车就发出去了,请李老师删了吧:)

    我认为自由意志不是物理学概念。随机性事实上跟自由没有任何关系。我们所说的自由从来都不是指你可以做一个无法确定随机选择,而是指你可以做你更偏爱的那个选择。限制条件越少,就越有选择的自由,但并不是越随机。而人有意识做出选择的时候,永远都是做出自己当时最想要的那个选择。如果自由意志里面的自由的含义跟日常的自由是累死的,那么物理学从来就没有提供过这种自由。如果自由意志指的仅仅是随机性,那么自由意志这个名字就太过于后现代了。

  20. 26 v.w

    to 晃晃

    “自由意志”当然可以成为一个物理学问题。关键不是否定它不能成为一个概念,而是在于如何引入和成为一个概念。

    这里有“决定论”和“非决定论”之间微妙的关系,目前还没有掌握和认识清楚。

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